already gaining our investments and pulling back unemployment until we figure out what the macroeconomic environment is going to do next year. so the sooner we know that, the more we can get about hiring people. so the longer it takes, the more difficult it is to be able to turn things around in 2013. >> woodruff: so each side, mr. bertolini, is arguing they've got public opinion on their side. the republicans are saying the pubc isehind them i believing that to raise taxes on the well-to-do people earning over $250,000 a year is going to hurt growth and it's going to kill jobs and it's not something they want to do. >> judy, no matter how you do the arithmetic, we have to raise revenue and we have to deal with entitlement programs. you can't do this all by raising taxes and you can't do it all by cutting costs. so i think americans really want the truth. they want leadership that says here's what we need to do no matter how difficult it is. personal accountability on the parof washington to get something done and then a level of transparency about what's being done so that people can see progress a